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Dan Leyes's avatar

but when we created a language,

we create truth and deceit

deceit doesn’t exist in nature

Right there folks. Y'all realize that Todd is a genius right? Communication, symbolic interaction, is the challenge confronting humanity. If we are honest we admit we just don't know, becasue we can't. All we know is what we've been told. And that could all be BS, even the stuff I believe is true. I choose to believe love is the only thing that is real. All else, illusion. But am i telling the truth? It is impossible to tell the whole truth, because you can never say all there is to say about something, so we are always leaving stuff out (like it's microscopic chemical and atomic makeup). Words can point to, represent, and help us understand stuff, but they ain't Truth. Umberto Eco called his theory of communication the Theory of the Lie. Todd was much easier read than Eco. I'll take wisdom where I find it.

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Elaine's avatar

Read The Fifth Agreement for an understanding of "the Truth"... The Truth is the truth, regardless of one's belief or lack thereof. And, yes, our (humans') agreement regarding the meaning of words/symbols creates the illusion to which you refer...of course, all of life is an Illusion.

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Dan Leyes's avatar

I've never read The Fifth Agreement. I've read The Four Agreements and found it to all ring true to my experience. Been meaning to pickup the Fifth. Thanks for the recommendation!

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Elaine's avatar

I had never read the Four Agreements and, after recently reading the Fith Agreement, I realized my presumptions of its contents were totally wrong! My perception of the agreements as a sort of laundry list of "rules" was incorrect. TFA goes into a whole reality shifting way of seeing how we are conditioned throughout our lives. Therein lies the description of the Truth as basically beyond and not affected by our perceptions, and the conditioning we experience being a lens through which we perceive the Truth. I am intrigued by how the author offers both a way to be in the world and a complete shift in our thinking!

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Jim Luper's avatar

“The way (truth) that can be spoken is not the Way (Truth)” - roughly Lao Tsu

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Dan Leyes's avatar

Elaine, you're speaking my language. You describe abstract stuff very clearly. I enjoy your posts. Have you studied Philosophy or something? You sound really smart! I just love Todd.

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Dan Leyes's avatar

Vert true Pavle. Well said.

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